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Able Poitin 24 Information

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Wonderful to hear about you guys and your interest in the old Poitin. I got to know the boat really well, racing on three or four of them, three in R.I. and one on Cape Cod. Since I went ahead and bought a Pointin' 29 from Nick Gregory ("Pamela"), I have never owned a 24, but learned quite a bit about them from Bob Evelyn. Sally [RIP:-(] was the first to tell me that Rod Johnstone lived "right across the street" down in Essex and more or less copied the Poitin. Made the J-24 a bit narrower and 500 lbs. lighter. Also really got in on the marketing angle and forced Bob to "move up" to Pointin' Star, the premier 29 when the J-24s took off. THEN Johnstone essentially copied THAT Evelyn design which, of course, became the J-30! Nick Gregory corroborated this also. Bob Evelyn's boats profited immensely from having Airex cored hulls, as opposed to balsa. Look up David Pascoe, a Florida-based marine surveyor, if you want the scoop on balsa. Seemed not enough builders remember Heyedahl's ridiculous "Kon Tiki", eh?

In any case, Bob Evelyn told me that the only design element he wished he'd changed on the 24's was the "hips". Obviously put in there as reserve stability, they nonetheless exert a tad too much parasitic drag for his taste. Whit Batchelder, who built Cherry Pi (and I dunno how many other 24's), chided Bob for not "aerating his resin". Cherry Pi also has balsa blocks in lieu of other core material. It also may well have been Batchelder who made several of the modified 24's with the "popped-up" coach roof. They're very distinctive. Incredibly, I actually saw one of these "headroom" 24's from a train, while riding back from NYC to Providence! Right alongside a building in eastern Connecticut, about 20 yards from the tracks! Can't miss a Poitin! This popped deck may well ALSO have eliminated the odd and clumsy hatch arrangement on the Poitin.

Speaking of the latter, I actually modified a Poitin (bound for Ohio, I think) after it was sold to a gent while sitting high and dry in Mashpee (Cape Cod). I took some Airex, made a huge "bracket" which came from the sides of the hull, across under the companionway and up either side of the hatch opening. Cutting out that transverse "bar" in the decking and heavy glassing PLUS a thick aluminum fascia "bracket" finished the job. As far as I could tell, the mod didn't introduce any flexing or weakness and it ABSOLUTELY made going down below a much more pleasant chore! I strongly recommend this move. You could even do what I did and add that thick (buffable) aluminum "horseshoe" to supplement the Airex and glass bracket.

I raced on John Hatfield's Samaki out of Megansett (North Falmouth). John actually put a BMW inboard in it. Later, John had pranged the keel horrendously on Seal Rocks (Buzzards Bay) and he "solved" the bent result by going into the NACA foil book and microballooning a truly FAT keel section. Two strikes against it. Later, I saw it for sale in Soundings. The guy who had bought it had lavished huge bucks on it. Since Samaki had an Etchells (?) mast and was essentially a 3/4 rig, it had runners. This new owner had put industrial-strength runners in :-0. Kinda humorous. Otherwise, he HAD done a beautiful job cosmetically, but really swore he knew nothing about the bent and slathered keel! One of the nicest Poitins I sailed was "Point Blank" out of Swampscot. There are still a few lurking around western RI. A couple I raced on had a brutal device which was essentially a "universally adjustable" jib-lead. Not nice to sit on! :-)

When you're working on your Poitins, pay particular attention to the bulkheads. Sometimes these need new glass. It would also be a brute, but doable, to grind out and fair in those "hips". They're unnecessary and S-L-O-W-W-W-W-W-W. I'm truly warped in that I love the smell of resin in the morning.......have grinder, will travel!

Also, if you're racing, get North* (!) to cut your main pretty deep draft----the boats need driving power in winds below 12 knots. I have actually beaten some J-24s in Narragansett Bay, but it took a lot of wild-ass tactical gymnastics. Poitins just a smidge slower in light-to-moderate air (the weight, plus ?). Come into their own above 18 kts. Be sure to have main AND jib cunninghams.


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Evelyn 24

"The 24 was the first Evelyn design.

This boat came out 1 year before the J24.
The first one was called Pointin which I guess is pronounced "pawsheen" which they say is Gaelic (sp?) for "home brew". It was also known as the "Pointin 24" or Able Pointin 24. Able Marine built the production version. There were many custom versions of this boat.

Bob took a 3rd or 4th in the quarter ton worlds in Texas in one that I got to sail on with him. It was flush deck and had had a foot cut off the beam (with a chain saw no less!).

The next boat Bob did was the Pointin 29. I doubt you will ever find a picture of this but it looked like the
bigger version of the 24.

You have a picture of the 32 half toner and there was a similar looking 36 one toner. I think this is when Bob started Formula Yachts to build these boats.

Then there were boats like "Evelution" an IOR 41 footer that eventually found its way to the Coast Guard academy. Bob designed and built the Evelyn 26 late 70s early 80s as a MORC beater. It was around the
same time as the very very similar looking S2 came out."


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Mast and Boom Replacement:

Kenyon Spars 2222 Boom
Measurements (outside): 2.25" x 2.25" (57mm x 57mm)
Wall Thickness: .068"
Weight/ft.: .87 lbs.
Moments of inertia: Ixx =.51", Iyy =.42"
Circumference: 8 3/16"
Alloy: 6061-T6
Sail slides: 3/8" round slugs (A017, A117) or 3/8" boltrope
Lower slide track: 5/8" x 1/8"
Standard Boom Lengths: 11'10 1/2"

Common Boom usage: Able Poitin 24; Bayliner BU 220; Mystic Mini Ton; Simon 19; Thistle; US Buccaneer*;





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Kenyon Spars 3550 Mast
Measurements (outside): 5.00" x 3.50" (127mm x 89mm)
Wall Thickness: .130"
Weight/ft.: 2.2 lbs.
Moments of inertia: Ixx = 5.5", Iyy = 2.7"
Circumference: 13 3/4"
Alloy: 6061-T6
Sail slides: 3/4" flat slides (A006M)
Standard Mast Lengths: 28', 32', 33'8" 40'
Common Mast usage: Able Poitin 24*; Allied Seawind 30K Mizzen*;


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"Ok - we have just hit the WAY BACk button here -

Back in 76 - Bob Evelyn along with the Halls's produced the Able Poitin - ( Irish for booze ) - the boat was first shown to the world at the NYC boat show - and due to the size/ beam/ etc -of the floor that they were on - it was shown in a heeling / tipped configuration - 

We bought one - and raced it for years in NJ / LIS etc - as Hot Toddy -

They were all mast head rigs - although some later pumped up the mast and went fractional - but my reccolection was that the mastheads had it all over them

Some of the innovations that were on the boat - halyards below deck -flush curved deck - with a big center hatch next to the mast that allowed all sorts of stuff to be passed up and down easily - the jib leads were all on tracks - that allowed for both inboard / out board motion - as fore and aft control - the rig that was originally on them was a bit cludgy -with a pin to afix the car - we subsequently modified it with two lines to allow for easy control

The boat was really beamy -around 11 ft - and did not meet some of the trailering approvals - eg - we we were suposed to have a wide load car on some roads - ( this might be old age setting in )

the boat absolutely loved the breeze - and was a real rocket ship =( yet no slouch in the lighter stuff ) we did one Edlu Race - when the Edlu was to Clintn and Mattituck - and th MORC boats only went to Mattituck - we started in the last division - an hour after the IOR One Tonners - 27.5 - blowing like stink upwind- and we rounded the " weather mark at the same time they did - popped the chute and the blooper - told you that this was the way back machine - and surfed planed all the way back down the sound 

Later - found that we could improve the performance in the lighter air - and took out 250 lbs of lead from the keel - and added about 9 inches to the boom - greatly improved performance - and never suffered 

Around the same time as the 24 came out - maybe a year or so later - they built the E 29 - which was a blown up 24 - and in my opinion did not ever really excel - Yes more comfortable - with an inboard - and all that - but it wasn't considerably faster - and many times we were sailing almost boat for boat with them"